2013/04/03

Asia's Coolest MMA Website - Not So Cool Now



The Fight Nation shared a link.
9 hours ago
Yesterday The Fight Nation a Singapore based MMA website that claims it's 'Asia's Coolest MMA Website".  Hmmm  I guess that depends how you measure cool!

Anyway they decided to step outside their comfort zone of fluff pieces on ring girls, and posting stories that are spoon fed to them and they decided instead to piggy back off of the back of a a badly researched story on another website. 

So they posted it and well the shit hit the fan! 

I won't repeat the story here but at best it was an ill informed piece of the worst piece of shock horror journalism that you could expect to see.

 The timing was very suspect and that did not pass by the people who soon swarmed all over the TFN facebook page after this article. 

 They tried to ride it out and leave the article up but by this morning it was gone, along with their facebook fan page.

 I am sure they thought that would bury the shitstorm they created but I had saved a large percentage of the comments on that thread before I went to bed. I present then for you here as a record.

 Make of them what you will.

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  • Chope Will and 6 others like this.
  • Boyd Gypsy Clarke wow pretty blunt on JFC
    9 hours ago · Like · 1
  • Ashvin Shawn Kishore This write up is very leading when it should be objective. 
    Esp "Is this how to grow a sport in a new market? Absolutely not. MMA does not need reckless coaches who don’t know what they are doing.”
    9 hours ago · Like · 4
  • Leon Lim uh oh
  • Seth Borges I feel like alot more should be researched on before posting a damaging article like this. The original article by asianmma.com was horrid.
    9 hours ago via mobile · Like · 7
  • Nickolas KS Lim 3 guys? who are they? i dont mean to probe, but is this article accurate in facts? agree with ashvin... i think its a subjective biased piece. bleagh.
    9 hours ago · Like · 4
  • Harold Ko sorry can you name the 3 who suffered brain injuries? because in all the time i've been there i only know of Sharil.. thanks. oh btw i agree, i studied journalism i thought we were supposed to be a little more objective than this.... oh well i guess i gotta keep up with the times huh
    9 hours ago · Like · 15
  • Nickolas KS Lim and oh btw, shahril's a friend, so pls dont objectify him as a case study in your biased piece...
    9 hours ago · Like · 2
  • Boyd Gypsy Clarke im all for safety in MMA and particularly Asian MMA but i hope this is well researched and 100% accurate if all is 100% true then its a bad situation, if its not then its a damming report that can cost a gym alot. this all gets touchy & could lead to slander/defamation cases etc. I hope all is resolved well
    9 hours ago · Like · 3
  • Adnan Steady Harsh...
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  • Boyd Gypsy Clarke p.s. the asianmma article was much more damming as well btw
    9 hours ago · Like · 1
  • Stefan Cole A blatant attack. Why are you posting Gossip when you could use this space, and people's time for something constructive, or educational?
    9 hours ago · Like · 6
  • Ashvin Shawn Kishore And when you say things like "We did our own investigation on this issue and have found out that the cited cases above actually occurred quite recently", It makes me, your reader question your publication's integrity and you or your team's professionalism. Where is the proof? If I was JFC, my lawyers will be calling you guys up. Disappointing, tsk tsk..
    9 hours ago · Like · 6
  • Zakir Mosquito Ramlan This article is stupid
    9 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Seth Borges the asianmma article was awful. not even proper journalism IMO.
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  • Ashvin Shawn Kishore And before an article is written about me. I am not or ever was a member of JFC. My post(s) reflect my own opinion and no one else.
    8 hours ago · Like · 3
  • Harold Ko no but im seriously wondering who the 3 people are. im not trying to be a dick but i think the facts should be laid on the table if you're going to post something like this. im actually surprised you would write this wesley. the timing of this article does come at a pretty strange time though...
    8 hours ago · Like · 8
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation upholds the highest standards of integrity. The Fight Nation would be more than happy to share our verifiable, independent sources in a court of law. We would never write anything that was false.
    8 hours ago · Like · 1
  • Harold Ko i didnt ask for the sources or how you got that info though. i just asked who were the 3 that got injured..
    8 hours ago · Like · 5
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation has a strict privacy policy. Names have not been disclosed as it pertains to medical history. The Fight Nation only disclosed one name that was already publicly available. Again, The Fight Nation is happy to divulge all information, facts, and sources in a court of law.
  • Harold Ko oh btw, i thought journalists aren't supposed to reveal their sources if they were anonymous? so theres no need for a court of law to occur before revealing it.. just saying
    8 hours ago · Like · 10
  • Dhiyauddin Rahmat Bullshit.
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  • Simren Panoo Wow, what a stellar display of shit journalism. Makes me question what the author's motive is in writing blatant lies and passing it off as fact. If you have proof, prove it.
    8 hours ago · Like · 14
  • Ole Baguio Laursen This is so gay fc.Prove it or take that shit down
    8 hours ago via mobile · Like · 8
  • Ashvin Shawn Kishore Guys from JFC, please take frequent screenshots of this page. 
    You will be able to use this in court.
    7 hours ago · Like · 2
  • Markus Lyckman Wow this was really poorly written and researched, where is your journalistic ethic?
    7 hours ago · Like · 4
  • Ruthiran Rrthrn Wow. Very badly written article I must say. More than anything, I am very disappointed in TFN's journalistic tendencies in this article. Even if what is being discussed has merit, it deserves a better written and researched piece.
  • Ashvin Shawn Kishore "What appeared initially as an isolated incident is now a string of brain injuries under Arvind Lalwani" 

    This alone, is enough for a lawsuit.

    Defamation , Slander
    7 hours ago · Like · 3
  • Tan Xing Hua Hello, my name is Tan Xing Hua; or as some people know me, Kyle Tan.

    I do not currently train at JFC, nor am I in anyway related to Arvind; in fact, I was from a rival gym in Singapore (which I still train at regularly in my visits to Singapore, and have very strong ties with). I'm currently no longer based in Singapore but I can say for a fact that Arvind is definitely one of safety's biggest fan.

    Some of you may ask who I am to pass off such a statement so I'll introduce myself a little. I'm a part-owner, trainer and a trainee at one of the biggest Muay Thai clubs in New Zealand. I was a Singapore BJJ Champion/Runner-up (noGI) at the novice and advance level a few years ago; I've placed in the for WPJJC the past two years (3rd and 2nd) at blue belt; and I'm the current Pan Pacific BJJ Champion at blue belt for GI, and Pan Pacific BJJ runner up at blue belt for noGI.

    I've never ever been part of a gym that Arvind has been teaching at other than back in 2009/2010 for a month where I did boxing at FightWorksAsia with him due to a knee injury sustained during BJJ training in New Zealand. During this month I went to the gym to train with Arvind 3-4 times a week and not once have I seen him breach safety (it being physical, or hygiene wise). During sparring if you don't have 16oz gloves or head gear (and you refuse to wear the gym's gears) you are definitely not allowed to do sparring (being at a lighter weight back in the day and not having bought new ones yet I only had 14oz gloves which Arvind refused to allow me to wear). When you do the end of session circuit training Arvind is there (not just leaving his other instructors to watch you) watching to make sure you do the exercises right so that you do not injure yourself (I remember him telling me I was doing the kettle bell swings wrongly). At the end of it all he made sure that the gym was cleaned thoroughly with the right equipment. And at all times Arvind emphasized to me to not do anything that could aggravate my then current knee injury.

    In more current times I have dropped by JFC to train with him and his team every year that I go back to Singapore. I have done MMA, Muay Thai, Wrestling, and mainly BJJ at JFC. I believe that all his trainers are very capable and knowledgeable in the safety aspects of their respective disciplines. I've trained with Danielle West their current MMA/Wrestling/noGI coach last year and she was extremely cautious when it came to us doing a flying armbar variation she was teaching; constantly emphasizing to do the roll very very slowly. I know their current Muay Thai coach, Wes Jaya, who has represented Malaysia in Muay Thai before; I've seen him do sparring and training with the students at JFC and I've never had any objection to the way its been done. Finally, Harold Ko is a friend and fellow competitor whom I highly respect in BJJ; he makes sure that techniques (especially sensitive ones such as leg locks) are done with the highest amount of care during training and sparring; during sparring Harold also makes sure that people are paired up accordingly.

    Basically, never once have I had safety issues when it comes to training with Arvind or at JFC; and I highly recommend the club to people if safety was their main priority.
    7 hours ago · Like · 19
  • Ashvin Shawn Kishore Is it article the work on an individual or a team of writers?
    7 hours ago · Like · 3
  • Ole Baguio Laursen Was written by Benjamin franklin
    7 hours ago via mobile · Like · 2
  • Lim Fang Han Sounds like a bullshit piece of investigation... lousy writing. It's also irresponsible for the site to spread shit news like this.
    7 hours ago · Like · 3
  • Alan Cole It's a terrible article, that piggy backed off of another terrible article that was full of half arsed facts. There is a well known fact of one fighter who did get seriously hurt. It happens everyday in many sports. It's unfortunate and Juggernaut have...See More
    7 hours ago · Edited · Like · 6
  • Stefan Cole More to the point, this is the sport of fighting. Accidents happen. If you don't want the risk, you can opt out. There is never any pressure to do something you don't want to do. Honestly, of all the activities I do (Sport & mountain climbing, long distance running, Scuba diving to name a few), I generally come away from the gym with lesser injuries than any of the others.
    7 hours ago · Like · 1
  • Stefan Cole I would say, looking down this list of comments its probably worth reconsidering if you really need to get this particular "message" out. I for one, am put off by what I've read, and have chosen to unlike, and unfollow your page... I encourage anyone e...See More
    7 hours ago · Like · 4
  • Emma Victora Knibbs It's really pathetic despicable and
    6 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Emma Victora Knibbs And transparent as I said there are people who talk a great game about bullying and yet they are entangled themselves with some of the worst corporate bullies around. Speaking as someone who was actually bullied significantly as a teenager I find it ab...See More
    6 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Nickolas KS Lim Sorry TFN, I feel sorry that ure so quiet now. Your lack of professionalism, now your lack of words.
    6 hours ago · Like · 4
  • Yang Seung Ho what a dumm.... if i see you somewhere not in singapore, i want to punch your face TFN,!! you are dumm!
    6 hours ago · Like · 8
  • Zion Paulachak This is the perfect example of the media completely blowing things out of proportion. This is bullshit.
    6 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Nickolas KS Lim and seriously, dudes who like this article? you pricks, dumbshitheads or what? friggin dickheads.
    6 hours ago · Like · 1
  • Yang Seung Ho everyone saying that, that's not true,,,,,,, and still didn't take it down...... umm....it looks like you get paid for doing this. oh! my friend told me you are at singapore. come and talk
    6 hours ago · Like · 3
  • Amalia Syakirah The Fight Nation, this article is gay! JFC is all about safety, FYI the participant who was supposed to fight recently in Johor was disallowed to compete by the JFC management and was encouraged over and over again to rest and take a break for weeks un...See More
    6 hours ago · Unlike · 6
  • Anarky Kaos Smear Campaign??? Y lahhh???
    5 hours ago · Like · 2
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation has a strict privacy policy. Names have not been disclosed as it pertains to medical history. The Fight Nation only disclosed one name that was already publicly available. Again, The Fight Nation is happy to divulge all information, facts, and sources in a court of law.
  • Ben Liu Ouch
    4 hours ago via mobile · Like
  • Lim Fang Han Your 'strict privacy policy' promotes conjecture and gossip, while allowing you to get away with publishing bullshit. So you merely forwarded this article? What is your opinion on it? I have trained with people from Juggernaut, and they are nothing but quality people IMO
    4 hours ago · Like · 5
  • Isabel Gonzalez Flores Dude, this is all hearsay and a piece of crap journalism. How dare you piggy back on another bad piece of journalism, what? you dont have enough material/capability to come with original pieces, let alone quality journalism? I do not currently train at...See More
    4 hours ago · Like · 2
  • Zion Paulachak Shitty journalist with shitty journalism.
    4 hours ago via mobile · Like
  • Yang Seung Ho The Fight Nation you are true FB monster. talk about low???? still i want to punch you
    4 hours ago · Like · 11
  • Yang Seung Ho how much they paid you?
    4 hours ago · Like · 5
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation has never received payment for any article and never will. The Fight Nation is an MMA news and commentary site. Again, The Fight Nation is more than happy to divulge all facts, information, and sources for every article ever written by TFN in a court of law.
  • Silvia Bettoni Injuries are common in all sports, and I find it disgusting that you’ve chosen to highlight a head injury of a boxer that occurred during a training session considering the person who is injured is still recovering in hospital and is unable to comment on the facts. 

    This is a contact sport and injuries do happen, but I know for a fact that Arvind & the coaches who are very experienced do everything in power to make our training safe & enjoyable.

    Using such a serious injury to question the capabilities of the coaching staff at any gym or sporting practice makes me question the ethics of the authors. I find the timing and potential motives questionable considering that JFC went 5-0 at the UB11. 

    I have been a member at JFC for over a year and I have never once thought my health or safety was at risk while training. At every sparring session, we are made to wear the suitable gloves and protective gear. I have never once heard the coaches tell us to go at 100%! To even question the capability of my coaches at JFC is absurd and I find it very disrespectful. Their number one priority is our safety; after all we are a family and family look after each other. 

    I would also like to point out that My friend Shahril who is not a vegetable was training for a BOXING match not MMA, so I am a little confused in your statement below -
    ‘Serious injuries are very rare in the sport of MMA and the sport possesses a safety record far superior to that of other high adrenaline sports such as BOXING, Formula ONE, wrestling, American Football, etc’

    Unbalanced & opinionated articles like this damage the outside perception of the sport.
    4 hours ago · Like · 15
  • Kumaraysan Perumal More crap from TFN.
    3 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Nayriza Gusmar This is purely a slander article on JFC
    Everyone knows who TFN is sponsored by 
    TFN you guys are fucked up for doing this
    3 hours ago · Edited · Like · 4
  • Zion Paulachak I think the only person who has a brain injury is the author of the post.
    2 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Kumaraysan Perumal This must be their most read article to date from their usual snooze fest.
    I'm sorry but all the gyms here in spore have their fair share of injuries, may I know why you chose to arrow down on jfc? 
    I'm not from jfc, one of my best bro 's has been trai    ...See More
    2 hours ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation upholds the highest standards of integrity. The Fight Nation would be more than happy to share our verifiable, independent sources in a court of law. We would never write anything that was false.
  • Thinesh John Well done Sylvia, you hit the nail on the coffin. 
  • Yang Seung Ho oh you didn't get money?? than i guess free membership???(as we all know)
  • Thinesh John Poorly written article with no evidence, names, testimonials, etc. That sums up your piece, Wesley.
  • Yang Seung Ho LOL name came out!!!!!!!
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation has never received payment for any article and never will. The Fight Nation is an MMA news and commentary site. Again, The Fight Nation is more than happy to divulge all facts, information, and sources for every article ever written by TFN in a court of law.
  • Ang Jie Hui LOL and TFN's comeback after 60 comments...... is to copy & paste this useless sentence "The Fight Nation upholds the highest standards of integrity. The Fight Nation would be more than happy to share our verifiable, independent sources in a court of law. We would never write anything that was false."
  • Gabriel Huang “We did our own investigation on this issue and have found out that the cited cases above actually occurred quite recently. According to sources very close to the situation, one of JFC’s fighters who was supposed to compete at last weekend’s Ultimate Beatdown XI, was unable to do so because he was not medically cleared by his doctor due to brain related injuries.”

    To set the record straight, the fighter who was not medically cleared to compete at Ultimate beatdown had suffered an accidental knock to his head during a Brazilian Jiujitsu training session and not due to any form of striking to the head. As much as the fighter still wanted to participate, the management did the right and responsible thing to disallow him from taking part as a precautionary measure.

    I seriously question where TFN gets its “verifiable” facts and information from.
    about an hour ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Ashvin Shawn Kishore To the staff of TFN, how do you sleep at night? 

    With the fight community being so small, everyone knows everyone.

    How are you ever gonna look the folks of JFC in the eye again?
    about an hour ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation upholds the highest standards of integrity. The Fight Nation would be more than happy to share our verifiable, independent sources in a court of law. We would never write anything that was false.
  • Alan Cole So you don't get paid - but you do have sponsors - It's the same thing
  • Emma Victora Knibbs TFN have got copy paste down to an art form which is good because everyone needs a skill.
    52 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation currently has zero revenues and zero sponsors. TFN is not paid by any organization. TFN has a team of unpaid writers who are fans of MMA. The Fight Nation is happy to take the matters to the authorities in Singapore.
  • Sean-Ethan Sahai Eh The Fight Nation! You robot or what? Can't you directly respond to all the questions directly after posting such a damaging article? Surely you knew all this heat was gonna come.. And the best reply you could come up with is this... Shame..
  • Gabriel Huang Well then im guessing The Fight Nation better start getting ready for the court of law.
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation upholds the highest standards of integrity. The Fight Nation would be more than happy to share our verifiable, independent sources in a court of law. We would never write anything that was false.
  • Emma Victora Knibbs Does anyone at TFN actually have any skills in any fight discipline or are they just another set of horrid little cyber trolls that go around bullying people from the safety of their keyboards?
    41 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation upholds the highest standards of integrity. The Fight Nation would be more than happy to share our verifiable, independent sources in a court of law. We would never write anything that was false.
  • Alex Ang Dear fight nation, you better jolly well question your attorney before flippantly tossing the phrase "court of law" around because it could very well get you into some serious trouble. Because when shit hits the fan, your corporate bully sugar daddy, whoever they are will probably not gonna compromise their position to cover your ass.
    38 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 2
  • Gabriel Huang Its general knowledge that its only safe to hide behind the keyboard when you are anonymous. Unfortunately, everyone knows that Wesley Souza is responsible.
    36 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Chope Will WOW!!! I can't believe this article hasn't been deleted yet.
    TFN you guys know this is not true, and you guys are blastingArvind TheJuggernaut Lalwani (a great guy and coach) for an accident that you guys are sensationalizing and adding Bullshit to.

    We know you guys a sponsored by a local SG gym, does this have something to do with this BS article???
    36 minutes ago · Like · 1
  • Ashvin Shawn Kishore Too many inconsistencies in your article to maintain any form of readership loyalty. 

    Unless you can provide any proof to back the credibility of your article, Whatever you say holds no weight. 

    Soon, everyone in the community will know of this artic    le and will raise the same doubts about your intention. 

    I really hope your "sources" are as confident as you are when this goes to court. 

    To the guys from JFC, don't back down. Make sure this goes to court. 

    To the other folks, no point flaming TFN. You'll only get the same response. 

    But find comfort in the fact that you'll see the the writer(s) of TFN at events or on the streets. No need for violence, just give him that look. 

    It's a matter of time before people start boycotting this page and the staff of TFN.
    35 minutes ago via mobile · Unlike · 2
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation currently has zero revenues and zero sponsors. TFN is not paid by any organization. TFN has a team of unpaid writers who are fans of MMA. The Fight Nation is happy to take the matters to the authorities in Singapore.
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation upholds the highest standards of integrity. The Fight Nation would be more than happy to share our verifiable, independent sources in a court of law. We would never write anything that was false.
  • Chope Will Wesley De Souza who are you lying to me or yourself, it is very common information that TFN is paid, and flown out to events as well as others in the community.
    There was one accident that happened months ago, and you guys are trying to say that accident is directly caused by Arvind and saying JFC has unsafe training is fucking absurd
    26 minutes ago · Like · 1
  • Gabriel Huang MMA "fans" who seemingly "know it all" but obviously nothing much about the actual training and dedication required. 

    You know what else The Fight Nation has? Me neither.
    26 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 2
  • Alan Cole Chope Will they can take it down - I have it all saved! lol
    24 minutes ago · Like · 2
  • Chope Will it needs to be deleted and TFN needs to apologize to Arvind's and JFC for writing a misinformed/ Bullshit article
    22 minutes ago · Like · 1
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation currently has zero revenues and zero sponsors. TFN is not paid by any organization. TFN has a team of unpaid writers who are fans of MMA. The Fight Nation is happy to take the matters to the authorities in Singapore.
  • Chope Will Wesley c'mon bro those ad spaces on TFN are for free then???? 
    That MMA Shop doesn't give you money for the shout outs......really
    you are not flown to events for free? you are not given a monthly allowance....???? 
    c'mon man quit lying
  • Nickolas KS Lim Hahaha i think they have degraded from a deluded human being to a post answering machine
  • The Fight Nation The Fight Nation currently has zero revenues and zero sponsors. TFN is not paid by any organization. TFN has a team of unpaid writers who are fans of MMA. The Fight Nation is happy to take the matters to the authorities in Singapore.
  • Alex Ang You are not there personally at the time of the incident so I'm pretty sure you have virtually no rights to determine or judge the factual details of the incidents despite the credit worthiness of your sources. In fact, none of us have. Martial arts is a noble way of philosophy meant to be enjoy by everyone in our community. I hereby urge u NOT to politicize this matter through the social media platform.
    If this is a marketing gimmick to increase your articles hit rate, I can only advise you to think about the backlashes instead of the current rally of attention you might be looking for, because we all know who's behind the keyboard.
  • Ashvin Shawn Kishore Why is everyone directing at this Wesley dude? 

    TFN is just one man?
    18 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Yang Seung Ho TFN you get paid we all know.i know you will say same thing but we all know such a cat.
  • Chope Will This is great news guys ad spaces on the fight nation are apparently free
    17 minutes ago · Like · 1
  • Gabriel Huang Its not surprising, with such horrible journalism skills like that its no wonder that The Fight Nation will never have any decent revenue or upright sponsors.
    16 minutes ago via mobile · Like · 1
  • Chope Will Wesley wrote the article @Ashvin and is one of the main owners of the site
  • Kenneth Ng Who's afraid of Juggernaut FC that they have to get TFN to write such nonsense? One has to wonder... This poorly written article is a disgrace to the local MMA scene.
    7 minutes ago · Like · 1
  • Luc Rousseau after so many coments i read the article. with a very neutral mood. Euh....This article wasnt fair to juggernaut. It is made of non sense opinions, and clearly the goal is to put them down more than just gossiping. Seriously the sayings about mma is safe ssport and stuff is a huge bullshit, and we can argue so much. Now let me tell you, there is 2 types of gyms. Fighter gym (what arvind try to do, including also the fun aspect mma for everyone) and the commercial gyms (95% of asian mma gyms) From a sport results, juggernaut are doing great compare to all singaporeans or malaysian gyms, so his goal is reached. How can you expect, no injury, if you prepare for competition so many guys ? Now let me tell you. In wrestling the number of brain accident due to head shock is really comon, thats why most of olympic wrestlers had there noses broken many times and other head concusions. In BJJ maybe less, but its still possible, and its comon that guard players injurre their knees pretty bad and often. In boxing, how many times, with HEADGEARS, pro quality, boxers died from head shocks ? Valuev almost stop his career after killing his friend and sparring partner like that in 2005 i think.
    5 minutes ago · Like · 3
  • Luc Rousseau Of course security can always been improved BUT, I WORKED with arvind ! i know him verry well, i know also some of his most dedicated boxers, AND, i can tell you they always always sparre, hard or light, with head gears (at least in fightworks was like that, and arvind was in charge of the boxing). I never heard him say lets go guy fuck each other up. I think he promotes more the tecnical aspect even in hard sparring. So yes i think wesley you should just appologize and delete article, to avoid having more n more noises.

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  1. AnonymousNovember 23, 2014 at 8:27 PM

    This Ashvin Shawn Kishore is a prick and is known as being a arrogant bastard. He's young, immatured and running some half bit alchohol consultancy, which is probably defunct now.
    Well, maybe 1 too many drinks has gotton to his brain n it has gone soft. Just ignore him and you will be good!��

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